Garg genetics

[alistair]

I am wondering if other people are seeing a pattern in there gargs I am finding with my male (striped) and my female (reticulated) about 70-80% of the hatchlings are striped. Is it the stripe or is it the male?

[Hilde]

Stripe is almost guaranteed co-dom, so it's the stripe (which in your case is also the male).
The 'het' version, if you want to call it that, is different from the homo (super stripe).
I'll see if I still have my photos of both and post them.

[alistair]

Thanks Hilde

[Ciliatus]

I got screwed over.... bred my male red stripe to my female red stripe and ended up with a very nice orange splotched/retic baby... Call it the milkman I guess....

[Hilde]

Brandon, do you have pictures of the parents? Maybe they are 'just' stripe, not super stripe?
The thing with these stripes is that there are some odd ball offspring which don't follow the rules. That's why there's no definite word yet about codominant or not. Most of the time things work out, but some just don't. The banded ones seem to be the ones who screw up the works the most. Since there's not much dedicated research, just incidental reports, it'll take a while to figure out just what is recessive or codominant.
The Rhac Bible has a nice write-up on it, if anyone wants to read more.

[Ciliatus]

Thanks Hilde, I'm gonna re-read the section on garg morphs in there.

Here is dad, not fired up



Mom, fired up


Mom again

[Hilde]

Thanks for the pictures. It looks like dad's the problem here.

The latest thinking is that stripe and reticulated ate codominant, but there are still some bugs to work out before it's official.
Het striped is shown in an uneven or wavy edged stripe on the back and sides. Homo striped has clean clear edges to the stripes. They also have a stripe down the top of the tail, and generally also side, right down to the tip or very close to it. The tail stripe might not be easily visible in regenerated tails, but some do regenerate with a vague stripe or dashes.

The tail on your female isn't visible, so it's hard to say for sure, but she does look homo (super) stripe, while the male is het (I'm assuming that's his original tail). If you compare his dorsal stripe, you can see the darker outside edge stripes on each side are wavy, the edges are irregular. In the female, the stripes are pretty well clearly defined along the edges.

Crossing a het and homo can produce 50% Het. stripe, 50% Homozygous stripe, but your sampling probably wasn't enough to show those results (unless they produced many dozen offspring, which is unlikely). If there's any reticulated genes mixed in their backgrounds (looks like dad might be, by the fancy pattern on his sides), then retic and stripe fought it out and retic won out in your offspring. If the Odds Fairies are smiling at you, then you should be getting some super stripes before long.

These are some super striped clutch mates from one of my groupings



And the same parents produced this one too (dark during the day, whitish at night.)

[alistair]

I am seeing what your talking about now with the super stripes I am going to start having to take records of my stripes now. I would say good number of my little ones are super stripes as they have the lines on there tails some times on the top and sides :O


oops forgot the photo

[Ciliatus]

Thanks for the info Hilde. A little different from Crestie genetics.

[alistair]

now how dose that mosaic morph fit in to all of this?

[Drewp]

I have a pair that produced two clutches last year and one clutch that has hatched so far this year, the male is a stripe (I don't believe its a super) and the female is reticulated (or blotch, is there a difference?)

All of the hatchlings thus far have been reticulated.

Is it possible that I will hatch a striped gargoyle or will they all be reticulated unless I get a striped female or super stripe male?

Thanks

[Drewp]

Well since that post above, I have hatched out some striped gargoyles. So there is my answer.